Tad and Molly
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Molly: So, Madonna and Guy have denied that their marriage is on the skids. But I wouldn't have been surprised if it had been true.
Tad: Me neither. Madonna gives the slight impression of being somewhat self-obsessed - which could impede someone from making a proper go of a relationship with another human being.
Molly: Er ... don't you mean incredibly powerful and successful? In other words, everything men aspire to be themselves but don't want in a wife or girlfriend.
Tad: What are you talking about? Men are very happy to marry successful, intelligent women. Chuck “rich” into the equation and I think you'll find that most men would be delighted.
Molly: I struggle to think of many men happily settled with women who are more successful than they are. Jane Fonda actually cited her career as a bone of contention in her short-lived marriage to Ted Turner, the media mogul. To me, Madonna is in the same boat as Oprah Winfrey, Kylie, Audrey Hepburn, even Jane Austen - a breed of highly successful women whom their male peers respect but wouldn't dream of knuckling down with. And the trend isn't limited to celebrities. A report from Britain's leading universities found that for every 16-point increase in their IQ score, men were 35 per cent more likely to find themselves a wife. Yet for women, each 16-point advance in their intelligence decreased their chance of getting married by more than 40 per cent.
Tad: You're making a mighty leap from that statistic to your hypothesis that men can't handle being in a relationship with someone more successful than themselves. Quite simply, when it comes to affairs of the heart, intelligence and success are not barriers to making huge cock-ups.
Molly: But I'm talking about the different raw material that men and women look for in a mate. I think that, unlike successful men, powerful women don't willingly choose a less successful mate; they are confined to fishing in a pool of beta candidates because men of equal or nearly equal status hate the prospect of playing second fiddle to them. Is that what men really want? To marry women who allow them to be the undisputed star of the show? How depressing...
Tad: I'm sure some do. But who says that powerful women don't insist on being the stars of their own shows, and so deliberately marry lesser men?
Molly: A list of Madonna's ex-boyfriends - starting with Warren Beatty and Dennis Rodman, not to mention Sean Penn - suggests that the most powerful woman on earth left no stone unturned in her search for someone who was her equal.
Tad: Madonna is “the most powerful woman on earth”? Now that's a scary thought. Who do you think she should be going after? The list of eligible global megastars of Madonna's magnitude is not large.
Molly: Roman Abramovich, for one. There's a guy who could equal her drive and success in the pursuit of wealth and fame. And yet, as if to prove my point, he's marrying a 23-year-old dancer...
Tad: I don't think your next career should be as a matchmaker, somehow. Anyway, rumour has it that Madonna didn't make Guy Ritchie sign a prenup. So ... do you still think she's so clever?
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No, we bl**dy love 'um!!!!
Brian Putman, Oxford,
I am very ambitious I would like a man to be my equal but not to live in the same house. I do not do cooking cleaning or washing and Ironing. Any man who wants any of these things can forget it.
Fiona McCormick, Limassol, Cyprus
Succesfull women only scare INSECURE men. And I have met many of them!!
Sarah G, London,
A successful woman scares the pants off men as they assume she won't give them what they want and may have things on her mind other than her husband.
Men want whoever shows them a bit of attention which is why the mail order brides industry does so well. You don't get mail order husbands, do you?
Jude , Dubai, UAE
Not successful women per se, rather the character traits that they most probably have in order to become successful e.g. the drive for improvement (thus never being content), taking charge, non-compromising nature - having two alphas in the same household does not make for a peaceful one.
Howard, Manchester,
What's there to be afraid of. Any relationship works if both parties are willing and care for one another. I hardly think spoilt celebrities easily bored and distracted because they have too much of everything can be judged as ordinary.
Who would want a self centered difficult part male or fem?.
Adrian Tysoe, Brit in California, USA
No successful women only want successful men . Men don't care . Case in point , Madonna and Roman Abramovich . Perspective is a strange thing .
Benzo, Nr Chelmsford,
"I couldn't handle the fact that he couldn't handle the fact that he didn't earn much," is right up there with, "It's not you it's me."
It's as believable as "I had to leave her because she was ugly, and she couldn't hand being ugly so I left her."
Yeah right.
Mark, London,
The saying, "Behind every great man is a great woman" says it all. Men generally want a partner with a huge amount of emotional intelligence; someone loyal and supportive, who will unobtrusively massage his ego and turn a blind eye to his ridiculous behaviour. This requires time and energy.
Jon, manchester,
Successful women certainly don't scare me, because I see them as successful human beings first and foremost!
What's gender got to do with it?
Dilip Dhokia, Bradford, UK
Guy Ritchie, a successful man?. With only one creditable film to his name as a director. Hardly successful in the film and entertainment world is it!!.
pw, south london, uk
You could just as easily ask the question 'do unssuccessful men repulse women'. The answer would generally be 'yes'.
Ted, London, UK
"To me, Madonna is in the same boat as Oprah Winfrey, Kylie, Audrey Hepburn, even Jane Austen.... men wouldn't dream of knuckling down with."
I'd have happily settled down with Kylie or Audrey. But as ever, 50% of the world's population are to blame, ie men, not a few individual ladies.
Daken, London,
Women don't like self-absorbed men. Believe it or not, men don't like self-absorbed women either.
Daken, London,
Id be more than happy to be married to one !!
I am not impressed by egos, money, power or show-offs ! But Id cook her dinner, do her laundry , scrub & tidy the house too ...
Richard, London,