Michael Sheridan, Beijing
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The mystery of the half-filled stands at many events at the 2008 Olympic Games has been solved, according to Chinese internet users, who say it is the result of a policy to prevent the gathering of large and possibly uncontrollable crowds.
They claim ticket sales to the public were secretly restricted. Blocks of tickets went to government departments, Communist party officials or state-owned companies, which have quietly obeyed orders not to hand them out. “People are so angry because they slept all night outside ticket booths and got nothing and now they see this,” said one blogger, Jian Yu.
Official explanations eroded swiftly because internet insurgents have rapidly identified cracks in the perfect facade constructed for the Olympics.
In the nine days since Chinese leaders presided over a grandiose - and, it turns out, partly faked - opening ceremony, one fact after another has eluded the censors and fuelled public indignation at the costs and the charade. Protected, they hope, by online anonymity, some of China’s 1.3 billion people are daring to wonder where it will all end.
At some football matches in the northern city of Shenyang, only a third of the seats were taken. Even some gymnastics finals, usually one of the biggest attractions on the programme, were not sold out.
Nobody seems to have explained it to the International Olympic Committee, which is baffled by the empty seats, or to the sponsors, who are disappointed.
The policy meant that some British supporters have been deprived of the excitement of seeing the Games. Even parents of competitors, such as those of Rebecca Adlington, the gold medal-winning swimmer, have complained about being unable to get seats.
Jeff Hunter, group operations director for Sportsworld, the official travel and ticket agent for the British Olympic Association, said: “It is surprising that not all the venues have been as full as they could have been.”
Lower-ranking Chinese officials hastily bused in paid “volunteers” to populate the stands in Beijing, appreciating the embarrassment caused by leaving them half-empty, but public relations remain a matter of indifference to most guardians of public order.
Security has been heavy-handed from the start. As the film director Zhang Yimou’s extravaganza kicked off with a boom, I watched on a giant screen in a park, one of the few venues where ordinary Chinese people were allowed to gather.
They cheered as the fireworks exploded, few looking up to find that there were, in fact, none to be seen because the sequence was produced by software, not gunpowder.
They cooed at nine-year-old Lin Miaoke, hardly caring that her lyrics were obviously mimed, and as she sang they went into a patriotic delirium when goose-stepping soldiers raised the national flag. Yet even these loyal citizens could not be trusted. We were surrounded by dozens of police who locked the gates to keep us in and others out.
Chao Chanqing, an exiled journalist widely read on web-sites accessible in China, has accused Zhang, the director, of playing the same role as Leni Riefenstahl, who filmed an epic documentary for Hitler at the Berlin Olympics of 1936.
The director scorns the comparison but he admitted that a Chinese leader ordered him to make changes to the ceremony. “I had no chance to reject his opinion,” he told the Nanfang Weekend newspaper. Analysts said he was referring to vice-president Xi Jinping, heir apparent to the top job.
Government officials swept thousands of migrant workers out of Beijing – the very people who built the stadium, at least 10 of them paying with their lives. Police arrested hundreds of provincial petitioners who sought justice in the capital and sent at least 58 to labour camps for “reeducation”.
The sick were told that routine surgery was cancelled in every hospital and officials shut some psychiatric patients inside their wards.
Even as the nation is supposed to be keeping a keen tally of the gold medal count, dissenters are daring to raise the issue of how much the Games have cost the people of China.
For all its export might, China is still a poor, largely agrarian country with perhaps 700m farmers and 150m migrant workers. The size of its economy is huge but, measured by wealth per head, it ranks 109th in the world, comparable with Swaziland or Morocco.
It faces an acute crisis as its people live longer but fewer are born; the old lack pensions and healthcare must be paid for. Half the population does not have clean drinking water and 16 cities are among the most polluted on earth.
So why, asked the mainland Chinese writers in a Hong Kong magazine named Kaifang (Opening Up), did China blow more than £20 billion on the Games?
They calculate that the total costs may exceed £30 billion, more than the Chinese government will spend this year on education or public health or relief for the Sichuan earthquake. These are questions that would make any ruler nervous.
Chinese leaders prided themselves on the splendid reception for dignitaries and 10,500 athletes. They rejected criticism of their policies on Darfur, Burma and Zimbabwe, brushing aside foreign demonstrators complaining about Tibet.
However, they remain worried about political undercurrents among their people. These can be unexpected. Despite pervasive internet control, censors could not stop nationalist criticism about the diplomatic price China has paid for mounting the Games.
Exhibit one for the ultra-patriots was a border treaty signed on July 21 between China and Russia to settle disputes over their Siberian territories that led to armed clashes during the cold war. Official accounts of the treaty emphasised the return to China of 1½ islands in the icy Amur River that divides the two nations.
Online critics were enraged because the foreign ministry appeared to have recognised the 19th-century conquest of thousands of square miles of land by Tsarist Russia. “These lands belong to all the people of China,” a blogger called “Tiger” wrote. It was only on the day the treaty was signed that the attendance of Vladimir Putin at the opening ceremony of the Games was confirmed.
Exhibit two was an agreement on June 18 between China and Japan to embark on joint exploration for oil and gas in a disputed zone of the East China Sea. It was only after this agreement that Yasuo Fukuda, Japan's prime minister, confirmed that he, too, would attend the opening.
It may seem remote to the athletes and sports fans in Beijing, but national pride is central to the Olympic message that China's government has crafted for its own youth.
Few foreigners will make their way to the Stalinist palace in west Beijing that houses the national military museum, but thousands of schoolchildren were trooping through a new exhibition there last week.
They saw a version that traces their country's descent into poverty and chaos to British aggression in the 1840 opium war. "The imperial powers descended upon China like a swarm of bees, looting our treasures and killing our people," the exhibit reminded viewers.
There was no mention of the famines that may have claimed 30m lives after Mao's "great leap forward", of the decade of chaos in the Cultural Revolution, which killed 1m more, or of the democracy protests in 1989 which ended in the massacre at Tiananmen Square.
Despite the precise attention given to such a perfect display, somebody seems to have missed the bold headline on a student newspaper published in 1919, when China was in a ferment of idealism and its Communist party did not exist.
It stated: "Democracy - a government for the people, by the people and of the people - our motto."
Don't be so naive about what you have read. Have most of what so called democrats been in China?
I enjoy a happy life in China!
Only prejudice makes you blind.
Todd, Shanghai, China!
is it just me it seems people from USA are more critical about China problems than people from UK
Neil, shanghai,
It's a big shame that our (English) media always use double standards to treat people that they don't admit! There are problems with China but certainly not far as big as those claimed by our media and, in fact, all countries have their own problems! Why do they not critisize America's problems??
Joseph, London, uk
You want to know about China?
Search Google for
"We can help China embrace the future"
by Tony Blair
Joseph, London, uk
"Ruud Cuienaer" what are you talking about? We in the UK do have drinking water and food a plenty.
Liz, London,
Mayor Boris Johnson should get the tin medal for sartorial embarrassment. He even had his hands in his pocket for awhile. His Beijing counterpart looked like he had been to Seville Row, not London's frumpy mayor.
William Bergmann, Hollywood, USA
They'll do anything to detract that it's now - 'U.S.A. U.S.A !! We're number two ! We're number two !
Grow up and smell the coffee, your days of imperialism are over.
Francois, Paris, France
Whatever you say about China, what really matters is that the mojority of the Chinese are living a happy life and approve of the 2008 games. To the dedicated China haters - we will continue to disappoint you! We know you can't live up to the fact that we are overtaking you. Bet on a China Era!
L. Zhang, Beijing, China
Why are some US posters sour? I was happy seeing the athletes enjoying themselves competing. Congrats to all winners regardless of nationality. Well the US had its glory days. So it is only fair that others have a chance to catch up and win glory too. You can't win all the time, can you?
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Lim, Johor Bahru, Malaysia
Nobody likes criticism about their country,it only breeds contempt,the way I feel about Europeans.Change takes time.It takes a while for a generation to change the mistakes of there predecessors.Just don't participate financially if you disagree morally ,no money for sponsors or IOC .
Elenore, Michigan, USA
americans guys, it seems you all believe the rules on earth are defined only by your country? you media only pick up what you people to see and you are addicted to seeing others' wounds. we dont trust our media, why you trust yours so much.
i am glad you american know china.
hua, bejing, china
Yvonne H., Austria, I agree with you.
Before you throw stones at China, why you don't confess what you had done on Xizang Province(so called Tibet by you,but also aggressed by your GREAT COUNTRY years ago).
Why you don't feel happy to see 1,3 billion living in a peaceful and developing land?
Or you just want only your people live with happiness?
Ben, Beijing, PRC
Mike Blackburn, Beijing, China
Thank you for your comments.
Guo Li, London, UK
Sheridan has managed to "make up" an article here out of a few Chinese internet comments. There is a problem with empty seats at the venues but as usual look for cock-up not conspiracy. China has developed more in the last 25 years than the west did in 250>who needs democracy
Mike Blackburn, Beijing, China
Before you have somehing negative to say about China, how about you visit the country first?
Give China a break, it's not like your own country is that great either. Look around! corruption is everywhere.
Yvonne H., Austria,
Li Ning, the gymnast who lit the Olympic Torch at the opening ceremony, said, 'Through the Games, China will internalize international rules.' In running the Games, China has moved one (though subtle) step forward. China is wary of anarchy, but open to sure-footed reforms. They listen to the West.
Edward, Bristol, UK
These games were brillant, at least we now understand who are these Chinese, their lies. We can understand better why they imagine a such beautiful country out of their dream, they are paid to study here in exchange of a few words for their mugnificient gouvernment. Well done and congratz.
Melatoa, Tolworth, UK
Li Ning, the gymnast who lit the Olympic Torch in the opening ceremony, said, 'Through the Games, China will internalize international rules.' In running the Games, China has already moved one subtle step forward. China is wary of anarchy, but open to sure-footed reforms. They listen to the West.
Edward, Bristol, UK
It took 17 years from the time the British people started recognising slavery to it's abolition. But you'd never guess that from our museums, which make us out to be uniquely evil.
Then we abase ourselves over the so-called Opium Wars - does anyone believe navies are needed to protect drug-dealing? The world's most powerul navies can't stop it going on!
The Chinese have a lot to be proud of, not least that they're not surrounded by miserable whiners, the way we are.
Andy, London, UK,
Ok,I'll tell you where all these tickets gone.I work for a BIG company, really big! My boss asked almost all my collegues to buy tickets online, using our personal ID's. Only 4 tickets for every ID. My boss was thinking invite our custermous come beijing to enjoy the game, but they didn't come. so..
Jason lee, Beijing, China
Why can't people accept that actually, despite the human rights crisis china have put on a well organized and impressive games.Not all of the fireworks were faked, youtube contains several home videos of them. In 2012 the eyes of the world will be on London,lets just hope our games are as successful
Eduard, Poole, UK
There r critical elements to freedom u Americans will never understand. Freedom to walk on the street & not be assaulted. Freedom to feel that tomorrow is going to be better than today. Freedom to know your country does not invade others. Enjoy your democracy & leave the Chinese to try another way.
Mike Blackburn, Beijing, China
Boris, London, England 'I think the games in China have been brilliant... As for the politics, you cannot create a democracy overnight.' Right on Boris. I think this newspaper needs your input not its current writers. In a perfect world etc. not even Britain is perfect. Gary Glitter-free to roam etc
kina, kent,
Look, I hate the Games more and more,as a Chinese,I feel shame on some of our players and spectators,they are lack of the Olympic spirit and just care about reward,it is totally wrong.
Sorry for poor English.
Lan, Shenyang, China
The Chinese are wonderful people, they are 1.3B strong and coming into the 21st century. It's not hardly been 20 years ago that the USSR dominated central Europe, just give the Chinese their due time, mark my word they are an economic, industrial and cultural force to be respected.
Dale T, Altoona,AL, USA
I think the games in China have been brilliant. Just hope that London is run half as well.
As for the politics, you cannot create a democracy overnight. The fiasco in Iraq should tell you that.
Boris, London, England
For all those loud Americans who think the Chinese government should be shameful of their polcies etc , look at your own government. Invading Iraq killing innocence , the US government is no better than the Chinese.
ben, manchester, Uk
"They cheered as the fireworks exploded, few looking up to find that there were, in fact, none to be seen because the sequence was produced by software, not gunpowder"
ABSOLUTE ROT!
The fireworks were there, I saw them from my apartment, was Michael Sheridan really in Beijing?
Colin George, Beijing, China
I enjoyed reading the comments of Chinese, which helped me to understand the culture - which I do not understand. It was rude of one reader to criticize their grammar. If I were respondling to a article in a different language, I couldn't speak nearly as well.
So please be fair to Chinese.
Lissa, Sacramento, USA
I no longer find such articles or contender responses so frustrating as I use to. Being an ABC here in Australia, I have never until this year felt so much displacement as a citizen and disapproval with the common ideologies of people. Having also performed my fare share on attempts of explaining
Daisey, Sydney, Australia
Can westerners stop lecturing China what to do or not do? Respect human right by tolerating cultural differences. Let people do what they want, not what you want. The support that the Chinese people give to their government and not to foreigners is evidence that their government is doing what their people want. Thats all that matters. Get over it!
William, Sydney,
Don't you find it interesting that with all our shouting about democracy, we give this dispicable country "most favored nation" status??
Kathy Bloodworth, Sausalito, USA
why dont take the issues at different ways? we have different culture and tradition.As a Chinese, I hold great appreciation to our govt because the improvement they lead us to achive.Dont disguise youself as a expert of China!!!
Jiang wansheng, Kunming , CHINA
Look, Forget about governments (none, including our own, is perfect.) American people hold dearly to the freedoms afforded to us. We would not tolerate being told what we can and can't say or think. We don't want other people to endure that either. I know I wish the Chinese people all the best.
Brendan Smith, Dallas, TX, USA
I don't like the way the Chinese treat animals or humans. They leave a lot to be desired. Also, I can't help but feel these Olympics are somehow rigged. I have never felt this more strongly. I hope I am wrong because that would defeat the purpose of sportsmanship now, wouldn't it?
Ellen Hilburn, Seattle, USA
I will pray that the human beings who live in China (we are all human beings, regardless of our country of residence) will see freedom in their lifetime and know the peace of being able to live, work, believe and think freely.
bpjam, las vegas, usa
I have been to China and found it amazing and complex. Cohesive management of 1.4 bill people is virtually impossible. We can't even manage our country. They wanted to make sure the games were not a vehicle for political protests/chaos but underestimated the negative impact of their strategy.
KK, Ventura County, USA
It's religion and God that makes us free, athiest.
You might want to try it...
And no, Christians had nothing to do with Georgia.
Sorry.
Shyster, Temperance, USA!
Nick,
You don't have a democracy in any way, shape of form.
DOH!
Shyster, Temperance, USA!
It scares me that we have communist apologists like Andy Wang in my country. I can't see how anybody could compare the PRC to American foreign policy or historical greivances with the UK. Every country has warts but China seems to have a cancer! I do hope that the youth of China demand freedom.
Kyle, San Jose, California, USA
I have nothing against the Chinese people, but I do hold a LOT against the Chinese government. I'm still not over the lead that was put in our children's toys. How can anyone with a conscience let that happen? And then they expected Mattel to apologize for shaming the Chinese? You shamed yourselves!
Stacey, Mayville, USA
I have avoided watching these Olympics. The news surrounding them is not good. Sadly, the entire contrived scenario is reminscent of Hitler's 1936 Olympics in Munich wherein he attempted to score a massive propaganda victory for Nazi Germany.
Patrick C., Irvine, USA
Half- empty venues are the norm here in China. It still intrigues me why. A top concert will be officially "sold out", but all my students know that you rock up to the gig 20 minutes early, and guys are giving away tickets at a third of the price. Oh yeah, the fans usually leave the gig early!!!
Kuma, Chengdu, China
Its not Chinese Bashing its simply what is happening. I live here and experience the constant control of everthing from the tv, internet, to where I can go and cant go. The chinese are not trying to improve on these fronts, its simple, absolute power corrupts absolutely.
D, Shanghai, PRC
Chinese-bashing is so popular it could be an Olympic event. Chinese history meant that Communism was the only direction that saved us from total ruin, from UK, US French aggressors, read Opium Wars, read Japan WW2, read CIA action in SE Asia. Now we are making great strides forward, recognize that.
Michael, Hong Kong, China
What a obstreperous forum! But I believe most People have clear minds to identify which is true(rational) criticism and which is rubbish. Those who want to spit on China are ridiculous. This is a civilized and internationalized world----no country can be defeated only by mere rubbish!!!! Thank God
Meiying, Beijing, China
Give China a break; the Chinese have traveled farther on the road to progress in less time than any other country in the history of the world.
The Chinese people that I've met in my visits to that country are proud, but universally warm and friendly. They deserve recognition and respect.
Michael Schmidtman, Cotati, CA, U.S.A.
What China is trying here is a determination to deliver a best Olympic ever. Is that so wrong to try this way? Wasnt that the ultimate goal every host nation tries to achieve? Maybe its method used isn't agreeable by western value and standard, but still it didn't deserve all these criticism.
Yannis , Cardiff, Wales
If China can't inspire you- they will kill you. Remember Tiananmen Square?
The only people who will benefit from the games are the political elite. All others will be suppressed.
Jim Rowan, Lincoln, USA
And I suppose that the British museum lists massacres by marauding British armies over the last two centuries does it? The invention of concentration camps in Boer South Africa? No, thought not.
We paid a heavy price to industrialise and we can't expect the Chinese to live in squalor forever.
Mike, Bristol, UK,
Do you journalists actually go to China? 109 in the world in income per head? Laughable.
I did hear that tickets were restricted at the last minute - but not for everything. For your example of football, I was told it was easy to get tickets because of the high prices.
martin, birmingham,
Socialism is the slow road to communism and tyranny. All they do is spread misery equally.
'A govt powerful enough to give you everything you need is also powerful enough to take away everything you have.' -Thomas Jefferson
Mike O'Brien, St. Louis, Missouri, USA
This article once again reminded me of 1984 by George Orwell. "Who controls the past controls the future: who controls the present controls the past."
Michael, Shanghai, China
2008 olympics have a far higher approval level in China than any other previous olympics games. You don't hear about the people approving but only people who are unsatisfied. Western media focuses on the 15% of population that feel taken advantage of, but not the 85% that are satisfied.
Feng, new york,
We've seen people wearing T-Shirts of "Free Tibet", I think I may start wearing one saying "Leave China Alone".
Our society is far from perfect yet we are happy to jump on the bandwagon and criticise others.
DH, Newport, UK
Chinese readers, please understand that the western media do have the freedom to report. But this doesn't mean they would report without prejudice. In fact, they do. Constantly reporting the negatives on China makes them and their readers feel superior. They envy (and fear) China on the rise.
Andy Wang, Los Angeles, USA
Nick, Wuhan China
You said: 'westerners do not understand our democracy'
But China has never experienced democracy. In 1950 the country moved abruptly from the dictatorship of the Emperor to the dictatorship of the Communist Party. The basic tools of democracy are completely missing from China
Colin, Carmarthen, United Kingdom
At least China is improving, with more people obtaing wealth there will be changes, China is very different from Russia, one can respect China advancing without the use of force.
Anthony L, Chelmsford, UK
Lin, have a great time at the olympics...you deserve it!
fuqiang, please enlighten me about the lies the western media
has disseminated around the world. Point by point might be
helpful?
Shyster, Temperance, USA
Yes Leo I'm sure you speak for ALL Chinese when you say they have food to eat and clothes to wear so they're happy... Whether just the Han or all ethnicities under the Communist yoke I'm sure they're exceptionally happy and have no complaints about the government or the tight controls placed on them
Josh, Atlanta, GA, USA
Shades of 1936???
Don, Many, Louisiana
about the empty seats.i suggest that chinese people don't like beach volleyball.look at the main stadium to day.there are 91thousand seet and none of them is empty.in nine cases out of ten internet rurmors can not be trusted.so don't be fooled.
leo zhou, brighton, england
The actual Games has been awsome, TV coverage poor, and ticket availability a joke. I tried to get tickets for various sports and was told their where none avaialble. Imagine my supprise when on TV the stands are empty. What where the IOC thinking?
Have you ever seen a Empty Tennis Final?
Chris UK
chris, southend,
about the statement of using too much money i hope you understand when the americans comercialized the olymipic it became such a profitable event.not to mention what the game could leave for the people in beijing
leo zhou, brighton, england
and the auther seems to have a progressive view on chinese democracy and i suggest him have a research on china's approch to democracy. if he's not bothered maybe he could just leave the chinese alone.they got food to eat cloth to wear and they are happy. the world donesn't have to work your way.
leo zhou, brighton, england
What did the Olympic Committee expect? I suspected this from the start. Of course the Chinese Communists are not going to allow large unidentified crowds to gather anywhere. They're Communisits! Contrary to what U.S. college and university students, and Jane Fonda, believe, they are not nice.
Donaldson, Chris, San Diego, California
@Julia Z
"The majority of Northern Ireland wishes to remain in the UK. "
Yes, but NI is a fabricated statelet with no historical or cultural basis. It was created due to a sectarian headcount to guarantee a Protestant majority. We Irish people as a whole have the right to determine our future.
Patrick, Navan, Ireland
To Mary Catherine, Lester Chow, John, Chicago:
It's not the criticism but misrepresentation I have a problem with. It's the author 's prerogative to believe Chinese government is ruling China against its people. I persoanlly disagree and it seems 86% of Chinese don't either (BBC Survey)
Hilary, London,
China IS very different. China doesnt fit into box standard western democracy. Chinese government is pioneering a new approach with the support of its people. You have to think outside the box to appreciate it. Pay a visit to China: China is a lot worse in people's imagination than reality.
Hilary, London,
China is a sick country.
Their government has a strangle-hold on their citizens, and the continuous massacre of Christians continues unabated, unreported. Their citizens are starving, yet they spend nearly $60,00,00 on the Olympics? Only the eite are allowed to the games?
God bless America!
StephenB, Aberdeen , USA
Your killing me Smalls, China is a C-O-M-M-U-N-I-S-T country. What did we expect, one nation under God with liberty and freedom for all?
George Young, Forest, United States of America
Good gracious. I noticed this as well. How absurd if this is true. I knew something was up when the very attractive beach volleyball players were playing and the stands were half empty.
That's when the ruse was up! :)
BIll, Manassas, VA, USA
The country that so brutally supressed peaceful Tibet, and who continues to suppress it and swamp it with its own people and culture, should NEVER have been allowed to host the Olympic Games.
Allan, Glasgow,
No place is perfect. Let's focus on the positive side of each country. Share the joy of their improvement.
Chinese education is definitely not the worst in the world either. Their handling in the earthquake this year should get credit too. Have you seen any another country did better in both?
Kim, Boston,
james from blackpool explains why England has become a multi-cultural cesspool, and th US becoming one quickly. be nice he says. Sovreignty, I say. USA one country one (Western) people.
jimbob smith, Columbus, usa,ohio
Come on guys. Let the Chinese enjoy their games without all this hypocracy. Like our democracy is perfect. Like we don't have a history of slave trade and going to war without justification. Give peace a chance. Be nice for a couple of days and embrace.
james, Blackpool,
Rank arrogance, ignorance and hypocrisy comparing the British Opium Wars to the famine.
Frank, Halifax, UK
I can't respect or understand the games being hosted by what can only be referred to as an evil oppressive totalitarian regime. This makes me realize what a joke the Olympics are. The atrocities we know about are probably only the tip of the iceberg.
erin, texas, usa
I've enjoyed the games, and I'm not distressed they are in China. What I've seen both on camera, and elsewhere lead me to believe it is more likely that the Chinese will, within the next generation, outgrow the ability of the tiny group in charge to control the population.
marty, dearborn, USA
Rodger in Beijing,
I wiling to bet you may be writing from Beijing but either you do not live there or you are one of the privileged that do not have to worry about the basics to survive. China just like North Korea continues to put on a charade and live in denial that communism does not work.
J Vest, Tampa, USA
I think it just shows how Olympic further divides us all. Most competitive sports featured in the Olympic is not even fun to watch, more like sport for the sake of sport, a waste of resources IMO.
National pride is a dangerous thing, pitching nations against each other is the last things we need
T A, Bristol, UK
An open letter to the Chinese:
Sorry, Nick,,,it's not the Chinese who don't understand
Democracy. Frankly, it's the democrats.
They're utterly clueless about the American Constitution
And give it up, Nick. You're no more chinese than my dog.
Shyster, Temperance, USA
If only the Chinese people were to know about the cheating going on by the Chinese officials. Underage girls and boys on the gymnastics teams, lip synching by young girls, fake fire works, etc. This is a great loss of face for the Chinese government and sadly the people of China.
Calvin, Kansas City, USA
Judging by the voracity of these and other postings, if the Beijing Olympics has achieved anything at all it is to underline the deep divisions and differences between China and the rest of the world. A dilemma that the Chinese people and the CCP in particular must by now be keenly aware of.
Boris , Belgravia, United Kingdom
They run a tight ship over there, and it looks great. Why is Hollywood the only one allowed to use graphics? American pop stars the only ones allowed to lip sync? What's the big deal? Some of thee criticisms seem a little hypocritical. And, yes, it's an authoritarian regime like most in history
Booga, san jose, CA,
I am glad I don;t live in China because I would surely be sent to "reeducation."
Erin, Waco, Texas, USA
Democracy is in the western term, westerners do not understand our democracy,the western democracy system is not suitable for every country, iraq and afghanistan are the examples.china has the right to choose her own way.
nick, wuhan, china
Christian, Toronto
i am chinese . and enjoy the olympics. so what , deprive us of the joy? you don't like our goverment, and no one ask you to like it . but we do enjoy the game .that is all.isn't that good for us . don't say anything so easily.
jane, jilin, china
Are we surprised that this games is all about politics? The Chinese Government has done a great job in duping the western powers.
fred, andover, uk
China kicked people out of their homes for the games....
How do those people feel about China?
John, San Diego,
I doubt whether the author really knows China .
Plus,I can't see that UK will do better.
Chloe, Shenzhen, China
I can see why the person from Baltimore doesn't like Britain, it's too much like Canada! Human Rights and Health Care ain't for everyone, I guess that's why he is siding with China as he can identify with them.. Henry Kissinger agrees, the USA must become like China there system is perfect for us..
Tony, Sydney, Australia
The CCP stomps all over the people for THEIR glory not China's. For those Chinese who get angry at this article step back a sec and know that when reporters pass judgment on the CCP they aren't passing it on the people. The Chinese people are beautiful, kind, and friendly, and victims of the CCP:(
Chris, Changchun,Jilin, China
Christian, it's not God the Chinese people need. It's freedom.
USAtheist, San Diego,
Capitalist propaganda, comrades! There are no empty seats at the Olympics. Those are computer-generated by the Ministry of Culture to keep terrorists away.
Jack, Greenfield, Massachusetts, USA
中国加油!can you hear the cheers which means China come on in and out of the play ground in China?we Chinese are enjoying the game ,and we are leading a happy life .As a Chinese , i am proud of my country !
lin, wuhan, China
It is unfortunate that so many people lump all Chinese together with their government. Yes, their government looked at the Olympics as a political show. There were many Chinese who worked on the Olympic spirit in spite of their governments massive ignorance about their deplorable worldwide behavior
H.R. Hughes, Pasco, WA, USA
Great article! What China is doing with the Olympic games is nothing more than smoke and mirrors. Communism is nothing more than a vast pyramid scheme; where those in power enjoy the spoils. China is nothing more than a hose of cards. I just wonder when the US and China are at war with each othee
Jim, Wisconsin, USA
About Michael Sheridan
Michael Sheridan was formerly head chef of the Pierre Victoire restaurant in London's West End, specializing in French cuisine. An Australian, he is a published author on cooking matters and runs a free membership club and cooking course for busy home cooks at http://thecoolcook.com.
jack, assisi, italy
You China bashers are just jealous. It seems London's got their panties in a twist because they're up next and can't fill Beijing's shoes. It's apparent from all the anti-China press here.
Also seems to be a little afraid of the possible delayed backlash on the Opium Wars. Ya think?
Lucy, San Francisco, USA
it is very funny to read western comments on chinese issues. I used to think western media tell all the truth to your people, and not any more from 2008. most of your journalists don't know china at all and tell lies. welcome to china and you'll see what is difference with what you read.
fuqiang, shenzhen, china
Its very sad that fewer people will be abe to witness these historic olympics firsthand:( but...
Dont forget the Chinese gov GARUNTEED a safe olympics. I believe this is a major reason for these issues. Ask yourself what risks you would take if hosting the OLYMPICS
Wesley, El Paso, United States
I laugh at the CCP supporters who are sitting on American soil right now criticizing the West. Why are you even here in the first place if Zhong Guo is such a wonderful place? Welfare check? Laundering RMB? Espionage? A transparent & accountable elected government? Uncensored arts and literature?
Free Han, New York City, USA
That part about the Military Museum; nothing like a nuclear power with a victim complex. If things don't work out for them, I hope they land soft. If not, look out.
Tim Ward, Canyon Lake, USA
Best pice of media produced about these Olympics so far. Great job.
Mark, Wichita,
western media is a bunch of jealoused little sour grapes. London will never have an olympics this beautiful and breathtaking.
michael phelps, baltimore,
Chinese Journalists sharpen your pencils, be ready for the next Olympics, give the West as good as they gave China over these Olympics. GB, the country with the largest number of CCTV cameras in the world. I see the Canadian God squad had something to say too, China, please keep Christianity out.
Rodger, Beijing,
This is not for the people of China, but rather a show of power and political strategy of the China's Communist Leaders to attempt presenting to the world the way they wish the World to see "China," in fact themselves. It is a disguise, it is a mental disease, it is against the population...
Christian, Toronto,
I'm from Beijing and ejoyed this article. The games spoiled my life anyway. Thanks author!
lic, beijing, china
China Communist Leaders must understand, like the entire World, that without God, there is no exit from the misery of human condition.
Christian, Toronto,
One expects such liberal, "holier than thou" trash from British "news" sources. How discourteous--to all Chinese citizens. How ungrateful to such an excellent Host Country that has succeeded so well in inspiring, not only its citizens, but people around the world.
Dave Paul, Chicago, USA
The IOC awarded the games to an oppressive totalitarian regime. They've gotten the The Olympics they deserve.
Bruce Northwood, Silver Spring, USA
According to the correspondents from New Zealand, so far a excellent and enjoyable games for the participants and audience.
SAM New Zealand
Sam, Auckland, New Zealand
To your ignorant, former and would-be imperialist readers--Chinese culture is different from yours--in a refreshingly wonderful way. You failed to enslave her along with your other subjected peoples so now you deride her at every opportunity for her independence. You envy her grace and strength.
Dave Paul, Chicago, USA
this isn't just China bashing, in fact, it really seems to be mostly Chinese bashing.
Ed, London,
Someone here said that American pressure will bring about Chinese freedom. That's a delusion, I'm afraid.
Sue, Small Town, UK
As a chinese,I know our great country have some problem,but,we are trying to improve it
WANG, TAIYUAN,
I predict that China will invade Taiwan shortly after the Olympics.
David, Livonia, USA
As an American I have to disagree with Howard. Americans who value freedom and our Constitution welcome different viewpoints and beliefs. What we will not do is play the "moral equivalence" game and say that all cultures are equally valid, and not expect change toward freedom of belief and speech.
Matt, Seattle, USA
You mean the Chinese lied to the IOC when they won the right, yes the RIGHT, to hold the Olympics? They promised access, pollution would be handled, and they would play fair.
This is how China works. Is anyone surprised they have underaged children in women's gymnastics: note the keyword is women.
Chuck, Peyton, USA
Are the Chinese really that sensitive and thin-skinned? Can't take a little cricisim? They're like babies. No wonder they let their government run roughshod over them. C'mon, be men and grow up.
Lester Chow, Warren, OK,
This is the time for the china REVOLUTION. Do it now when all the cameras are there.
FREEDOM
rcb, USA,
Not all that glitters is gold.
Jeff, Cupertino, CA, USA
Say all you might against mixing sport with politics: I still say the Olympics should never have been allowed to be held in China. It is at heart a communistic country engrossed in self-glorification.
Raymond Lau, Singapore, Singapore
They used dubbing at Athens opening, no one complained then so stop picking on the Chinese.Name one country that has not had some criticism over its hosting of the Olympics. London is already copping it with opponents to the games and cost over-runs.
SAm N.Z
sam, Auckland, New Zealand
It's clear from the massive Olympic coverage that China has fooled no one with their benign facade. There's been an absolute torrent of bad press for them regarding human rights and government truthfulness.
The target of the propaganda is their own youth. A fleeting victory. The truth will out.
Paul B., NY, USA
Brian of london, I am NOT sure you Brits have grown up. By the comments of your fellow countrymen, I doubt you people have matured much. Your comment of "..but at the time we did it rather well" was interesting. Did you mean you did well in invading and suppressing other people???
Andy Wang, Los Angeles, USA
One cannot put too much reliance on the reasons for the empty seats at the venues given by the internet posters. There were empty seats at the Sydney and Athens OLympics and no doubt there will be empty seats at the London Olympics.
Sam Akld
Sam, Auckland, New Zealand
The Chinese, Russian', Venezullan, Cuban citizens are generally the same as Americans, English, Germans, etc. -- i.e. basically good people who go to work every day to try and earn enough money to house and feed their families. Unfortunately, their leaders hate freedom! Their MEN need to REVOLT!
Mike, Richmond,
Chinese people good! Communist Party and its leaders bad! I have family from China and they have waited for decades for communism to be defeated and hope that there will be an uprising soon.
Shunjinpinga, BC, Canada
For those of you who think the western media misunderstood china, THINK AGAIN. These anti-china articles are deliberate. Before the Olympics, they headlined that bad smog would doom the games. Now Beijing has blue sky all around, they stopped talking about it...and turned to other negative stories.
Andy Wang, Los Angeles, USA
Look,
the fact that the different venues are not filled with people is something hidden from us here in the US. Why? Because NBC doesn't think it is important for us to know...
The world's problems with totalitarians isn't just with commies and jihadists. It is with the total lack of free press
ken anderson, henderson, tx, USA
Dear China,
If you want to be on the 'world stage', criticism is part of the deal. Every aspect of what you 'do wrong' will be held up to the light. Get used to it--you haven't seen anything yet.
Mary Catherine, Elmhurst, USA
I´m looking forward to all of the "Irish"-Americans (as Irish as Black Americans are African) supporting the return of half of Mexico´s land that was stolen from them. Just as Ireland will be whole again, Mexico will be.
David, Reynosa, Mexico
Jane has a point. It's because the Americans haven't been around that long, so they haven't seen an oppressive government and overthrown it. Except the British. The chinese people can't defend themselves with arms, so the government owns them and their children. End of story.
henry, Virginia, USA
By China bashing will only make things worse.
Firstly, once the Olympic Games are over, pay back time will come esp. for the Tibetans. Do you think for a moment that the CCP will give up 1/4 quarter of its territory to six million Tibetans because of you guys whinnying.
penny, Kalamata, Greece
Strangely after reading the reviews China has taken back place to the bickering of USA vs. UK funny how they think it is all about them.
Who cares goooooooo... China goooooo.
When will they realize it is getting to be more than them?
Vivette , Mobay, Jamaica
China is a great Nation with a long history of culture and acheivement. Many of us in the west appreciate and trust the Chinese people and respect their accomplishments but it is the Chinese government that does not. A simple concept of freedom allows for a plurality of polictical ideas and debate.
JimmiP, Phoenix, Arizona, USA
In China I can read this page, just about every other webpage I've tried.
Most HanChinese people seem to know very well they're not "free." But don't make an enemy of the state in China, and your life can be OK.
Government is not the country. Bashing "China" & ignorant assertions just alienates ppl
Mark, Marietta, GA, USA
Well, Sheba - most of us don't like to be criticised. Moreover, we tend to be defensive if overly criticised.
Susan, Bath,
Many people are fixated with the Tibetans & a 'Shangri-la'. But the Tibetans would, given half a chance, revert to a medieval theocracy & a system based on slavery. So are the Han Chinese that bad after all?They have fast-tracked the Tibetans from the 13c to 21c with health care, etc thrown in.
ian cheese, london, uk
ACortez, RC, CA, USA
USA is a great country, no one doubt . your country did great human right jobs just because you don't have a long history.
long history has good and bad side in culture. if you can't realize that , nothing is worth to discuss
jane, jilin, china
People should stop arguing with the "China bashers": their criticisms changed very little in the past 50 years while China has moved on. The chinese will, as always, carry on with their own businesses and there are opportunities for the west to explore. "iron olympics"-let's see what london can do.
kevin, oxford, UK
All this talk against China. For those who want to show some solidarity, stop buying Chinese products. I wish you good luck in your endeavour!!! ;-)
Sarah Tedford, Vancouver, Canada
Don from Atlanta:
The comments from Chinese readers have failed to live up to your high standards, sorry for that. However, your speculation without any evidence is deeply hurting and ridiculous. We Chinese, with our poor English, are speaking out in a Western forum.
Xun, Oxford, UK
The Chinese have carried out the olympics just fine. The chinese have much to be proud of, and while the west may not find their record perfect, they seem to care about bettering the lives of their people, and they are trying to be good world citizens, better than other comm. nations I could name.
chris, phoenix, USA
"CAN ANYONE SHOW ME A COUNTRY WHERE COMMUNISM HAS WORKED WELL?"-Steve Boggs, Nashville, USA
Yes.
Singapore, Vietnam and China.
Could add Iran and Chile to the list, but alas the West toppled those Governments. Just two examples of the Wests love for "democracy" (and lets not forget Saudi).
Brundi, Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam
Leslie, HONG KONG. Those three words speak absolute volumes.
Steve Goodwin, Leeds, UK
Tom Swick, Sacramento, USA
i agree with you, so when i read this, i am not angry. even for me some of them are unreal. like directer zhang, not he was told to change the girl, is another music chief . his last name is chen.olympics will do a deep influence for us ,and also will change our life.
jane, jilin, china
With so many missing articles (a, the) in their grammar, it's quite obvious that many of the comments that are pro-China here are not originating from western readers. Their comments read like poorly translated instructions. And ANYONE can put down a name, town, and country.
Don , Atlanta, GA
Hey Leon.
How patient would you be if your family was living in abject povery and breathing polluted air while your children worked in a sweat shop?
I have a question for everyone:
CAN ANYONE SHOW ME A COUNTRY WHERE COMMUNISM HAS WORKED WELL?
Steve Boggs, Nashville, USA
It is so amusing to hear people from Europe and China try and chide the US for its policies. In 200 plus years we have acheived greater progress in human rights than either of your continents have over thousands of years. Before criticizing the US take a look at your bloody past aggressions.
ACortez, RC, CA, USA
It's true that many Chinese people feel quite easy and satisfied under the control of the government.They, especially the youth, do not like to be criticised by the foreigners!A Chinese as I am,sometimes I just find many Chinese guys unmature! It's hard for them to get others' advice!
Sheba Zhang, Beijing, China
Why is everyone slagging off China? It started with will they finish on time? then the 200 Tibet protestors and their Lama (sic) over-filmed/choreographed by the media, then there were "pollution" fears despite new records (LA had worse pollution in '74 but hey, who remembers THAT?).
Come on !!
Ada Bsiz, Kingston, UK
Will London do better than Beijing 2008? I doubt it very much. The Olympics are not tourist attractions, and with London being the most expensive capital in the world, and will be even more so in 2012, I doubt if they will even make ends meet !
And the UK is just as security-obsessed as China !
Ada Bsiz, Kingston, UK
To Juan and al Shaf from San Diego:
If you have the money to pay a visit to China, you will say things just like those apologists on this forum when you come back. It is one thounsands miles away from a communist, totalitarian regime you are imgining. Unlike USA, we prefer big ceremonies over war.
Xun, Oxford, UK
L Gillatt, where's your evidence? What has China done to cause destruction throughout Africa? Whatever it is, it's nothing compared to the destructive deeds of the old colonial powers that exploited Africa throughout the last couple of centuries.
Rob, Vancouver, Canada
Mr.Xfj,
Come to China and have my say? You must be joking, and yes is this your real name. Those who want to say are in prison. Which country are you talking about.
Jay, Woodland Hills, U.S.A
Paradise, USA.
Love your motherland but see her defects,xfj.
Carl, Boca RAton, USA
China is not perfect, but no other country is on earth. Expecting China to switch to a democratic country overnight is simply unrealistic. The imperial rule was only thrown out a little over 100 years ago, after making 5000 years of imprints in the soul of the country. & the fireworks did happen.
Crystine, West Covina, USA
Being originally from China and traveling between US and China frequently, I couldn't help but think how many people in the West were 'brainwashed' by their 'impartial' media. Why not go to China yourself and see what a real China is today. Some people still hold 'cold war' views of 30 yrs ago.
Stanley, Herndon, VA, USA
for those who read chinese, they can read so many things about the world and about china every day on the internet. only those who read the English press believe chinese are always under censorship. if you follow the chinese internet closely, most of the world news are translated into chinese in 30'
sunny , hong kong,
Give peace a chance. John Lennon rocks!
Susan, Bath,
Yes, the Chinese are proud, strong, and happy. But China wanted to be in the world's spotlight by hosting the Olympics. Facing scrutiny from the rest of the wolrd is simply one part of being in the world's spotlight. We in the west have become used to it, and it's a good thing in the end.
Tom Swick, Sacramento, USA
christian, Austin, US
you think tibet is a free country. ok but i don't think so as a normal chinese. so we needn't to argue that. we can't persuade each other. well?but i'd like to say other things , "human right" . religion system is never democratic, your goverment let religion group be join?
jane, jilin, china
The Billions spent in China for the Olympics and good will is money well spent when compared to the BILLIONs and Billons spent in my countrys War in Iraq.
China has come a long way in twenty years for the better , wish I could say the same about mine.
Bobswire, san francisco , usa
Who cares what color the cat so long as it catches mice?
Matt, Rochester NY, USA
The British just cant stand it when someone's having a hell of a time more than themselves. Its not your money, its China's. And we can spend it on anything we like. The Chinese can take communism, and its worked out fine for us. I mean, we're not the ones invading countries 'just in case'.
Leslie, HONG KONG,
It was a fanshion to demonize the West 30 years ago. You rarely see it today because China is a lot more open than it was before. Bashing China is still a fashion in the West. The more you bash, the more attention the media gets.
Li Dan, Wuxi, China
So many China/Olympic supporters spouting garbage. The games are boring and a waste of national assets. Politics and posturing for the CCP and their apologists. There will be a lot more of this tedium in my own neck of the woods during 2012.
James, Beckton, East London
"..so many countries you people have invated, including the US."
Mr Wang; we 'invaded' the US during the war of 1812 in response to American atrocities in Canada. And please don't forget Polk's campaign to seize western British North America in 1844, or the 'Pig War' of 1859.
Check your history.
BazzaG, London, England
well, you people always said about politics, looks like we normal chinese didn't deserve enjoying a sports event.
come on , we are not stupid , we know our goverment is far from perfection, we don't like you talk about this because there is otherthing more important , feed ourself .then the others
jane, jilin, china
don't say as you know everything in china, can human right give us food, come on , live first ,then others , you may say i am wrong , because you needn't to worry about it ,there is 1.3b people in our country, more complex than you think. at least we are better now, and we do enjoy olympics.
jane , jilin, china
I an living very well. I am proud of my country, I read lots of news from New York Times and Times. Do not worry, we Chinese have a happy life.
Xiong Ying, Ningbo, China
james, KL, Malaysia-
"china is not perfect, but it is improving and doing better. at least they are not one country that goes around invading others, poking their nose in other people's affairs!"
I bet Tibet might have a different opinion about that...
christian, Austin, US
Ok Andy, lets run thru your history- At the time we Brits were going out and conquering, so were the Spanish and the French- every developing nation was doing it, at the time it is what you did. Now we have grown up, I hope- but at the time we did it rather well.
Brian, London, UK
well , you people always said about politics, looks like we normal chinese didn't deserve enjoying a sports event.
come on , we are not stupid , we know our goverment is far from perfection, so what, what can you do , more than 1.3 b people, the first thing is feed ourselves ,if you can do it ,go
jane, jilin, china
So since the Chinese have done such a "great" job on the games and advances in human rights, when do you suppose they will stop adding 100 missiles a year to those already aimed at Taiwan? I'm sure that's much more important than education, medical care, clean water, and pollution control, right?
Greg, Apex, NC, USA
It's quite sickening to see just how many apologists there are for the totalitarian regime in Beijing... I guess the number of "useful idiots" in the west is as high, or higher than ever.
al shaf, San Diego,
i am frome china. many friends had comments r misunderstanding china, there r many problems in china, corruption, enlarging gap between the rich and the poor ,etc, but tell me which country is a paradise? if you want to have a comment on china, plz ,come to china and haveyour own point. ~~
xfj, beijing, china
'china ...at least they are not one country that goes around invading others, poking their nose in other people's affairs!
james, KL, Malaysia'
You are horribly wrong james of KL! China has been instrumental in the destruction of people throughout Africa and this continues through to today!
L Gillatt, Cheltenham , UK
I am in China for the Olympics, elements of your story are utter rubbish. The Chinese have been great hosts and done a fantastic job with the Olympics. Frankly the UK have a lot to catch up on. Your story seems to be a propaganda piece
James, London, UK
China has no human rights charter so it can treat people how it wants to; displacement, stravation, torture, death - it's all there.
People forget that it is a totalertian regime, a despot rules and the people have no choice but to follow it's leaders blindly.
kim, london,
A good article showing that "under the hood" of these games, the Communist dictatorship of the Communist Party of China is using these games to intimidate the world. And many of you idiots are lapping up this COMMUNIST Chinese propoganda. This looks real close to the 1936 games in Berlin.
Juan, San Diego, USA
To Malcolm, Eugene USA : Those C cups are probably as real as Lin Miaoke's singing. Have you ever tried to buy a non-padded bra in Asia?
Conrad, shepherd's Bush,
The Chinese see the Olympics as probably the greatest thing for a while, and nothing is going to make them think differently. 20 billion on a show with the whole world watching sounds a lot more friendly than a new set of Trident missiles.
Leslie, HONG KONG, HK
This country (China) is not perfect. But please, tell me which one of you lives in one that is? I am an American living here that will be here when I die, but assure you it will be from natural causes and not being a victim of crime. China moves slowly with 5,000 years of culture and learning. GFY.
T, Shanghai, China
I wholeheartedly agree with Hillary, I am pleased that at least some people recognize the diverse, complex, and very real dimensions to China. Having lived there for 5 years, I think China is doing a fantastic job given that they have to manage a 1/4 of the earth's population with limited resources.
David , Chicago, U.S.A
When these Games are over, the athletes will laud China for being great hosts. It will probably be the finest Games of their lives, seen by record numbers. However the Western media will cited smog, Tibet, fake singing,etc. Then ask yourselves -were the media fair or did they have an ugly agenda?
gary , london,
I am mostly worried about the heath and safety of the athletes. That is my first concern. As an American citizen, I have traveled abroad to London, Saudi Arabia, and more...I kissed the GROUND when I returned...knowing how truly blessed I am.
I wish that for the Chinese people, and the rest of you..
Lisa Moore, Dallas Tx, Dallas, USA
I can tell from London's 2012 logo it's not going to have a patch on the Beijing Olympics. The UK press have added incentive to be critical. Talk about getting your excuses in early. Truly pathetic...
Terry, london,
You brits really don't have any rights to critisize China. Talk about aggression. You are the aggressive people. Read your own history books and count so many countries you people have invated, including the US. You have caused so much pain in people around the world. You are BAD people by nature.
Andy Wang, Los Angeles, USA
30bn so what ? hard working Chinese deserve a big party
sour grape
get over it
lee, Bath,
Who doesn't want to show their best to the world through the Olympics? Will London not want to show their best side, and spend lots of money on the event. No doubt, it will be more than that spent of welfare services.
Stop being envious of China's emerging success. Why is China so ridiculed?
W N, London, UK
Security is paramount, whatever it takes. Ok, £20 billion GBP spent: most of it can be accounted for by infrastructure, wh. is money well spent & only a fraction on the fireworks!
ian cheese, london, uk
" Am I the only one who has noticed how the Chinese women at the medal ceremonies are uniquely endowed? They are all C cups at least - quite unusual for Chinese woman"
Malcom, Eugene, USA
I've also noticed that said women have great hips and Shakira/Beyonce derriere. Almost anime dimensions.
Jason, Fort Lauderdale, USA
liberal euros apologizing for hitler again, how quaint..
how many UN resolutions were there before someone actually grew a backbone and killed the beast in baghdad?!! now the euros are handing over Georgia to another petty thug so they can keep their lng flowing from gazprom and you trash US? right
t lucken, motown, usa
could it possibly be that the empty seats and stands in these venues are not to do with party restriction on ticket sales but reflect how we (21st century kids/slash generation) really, really hate sports?
Dan, Manchester, UK
I hope my chinese friends will believe now that what is the realing journalism. One of my friend said, "the media in west is privately owned so they say whatever they like but the media in China government control so they will not lie because they are responsible to country."
Tara, Jeju, Korea
NI is NOT part of G Britain. Ireland will be whole again.
John O'Callaghan, Tampa, USA
Howard, Manchester,
It remains surprising to me that our British brethren show such distaste for the America that has its roots in your culture and systems. Of course we are different, but our optimism and conceit are quite similar to your own.
The prism, if not the perspective, is similar.
G-Veg, Philadelphia, US
"Unable to elect own government"
James, Beckton, London.
Funny, I dont remember being able to vote to being ruled by the EU. Has certain similarities don't you think.
peter reddington, leeds, UK
Howard,
Like us? I dare say that no country in the world can lay claim to having a more diverse culture with more opinions than stars in the sky. China is communist. If American pressure brings about their freedom, its perfectly fine with us.
John C, Va Beach, VA, USA
Wally, Huntington, USA
It would obviously surprise you to find out that the majority of the poulation in NI want to be part of the UK. You are obviously one of our 'cousins' who viewed terrorists in NI as freedom fighters. Sure changed your tune after 9/11 when it came knocking on your door.
John, Reading, uk
Mike from Oxford,
Sorry to let you know but most Chinese people think the money is well spent. It is better than Britian and USA who spent I don't know how much to invade other countries and kill their civillians. Your government is the real bully.
Xun, Oxford, UK
Poor Howard in Manchester and Joe in Edinburgh; in an article focused on ChiCom leadership aggression towards their own people you somehow manage a petty shot at the USA. I lived and worked in the UK for 3 years; among the two happiest days of my life: the day I arrived and the day I departed.
Steve, Virginia Beach, Virginia, USA
Like most nations, the Chinese see the world from their own viewpoint. That viewpoint is that their country was the greatest country on earth, then western and Japanese armies attacked them and destroyed their wealth, and now they are re-emerging as a world superpower.
James, London, UK
Wally - The majority of Northern Ireland wishes to remain in the UK. Ditto Gibraltar and Falklands. Hence UK policies.
Julia Z, Romford,
Seems a few of our UK "friends" here have conveniently forgotten the past. Chamberlin lives!
Richard, Chicago, USA
That literary piece of journalism was a great sum of China in the world today. I can only encourage the author to continue and spread the real China to China and the rest of the world.
Pat, North East, USA
Hey Paul, nest Olympics aren't in Russia, they're actually in Canada. I'm willing to bet they wont look military or orchestrated at all.
Dave, Stratford, Canada
Let' s be real China is the enemy, at least the leaders, and the American People should keep a wary eye to the East. We also should PUSH for more change...And maybe stay out of Walmart for a week or two.
Denis, Burlington, VT, USA
Wally, Huntington
Unfortunately the majority of the population in Northern Ireland regard themselves as British and want us to stay. Pesky democracy!
When the Catholic population exceeds the Protestants, Ireland will be united. Until then we're stuck with them.
M Price, Manchester,
And next olympics (winter 2010) are going to take place in russia. Let's see how military or strangely orchestrated those games will look like. Decade of horrors for IOC.
Paul, Berlin,
People, please remember that this is the times, which fully support the US. China is a up coming power.
Anyone lately traveled through china will have seen that every one has drinking water and food in plenty, what cannot be said in the UK were it has one of the highest poverty rate in EU.
Ruud Cuienaer, Amsterdam, Nederland
Most urban chinese don't care about their rights and their govenments' abuses of its poor majority. They just want prosperity. The migrant workers who worked for a pitance to build the olympic venues have been swept out of Beijing. The world is not fooled, china belongs to a sub league of nations.
Edward, Surrey,
U.S. found that "liberating" people doesn't always bring peace; in Iraq a despot was needed to keep society from chaos.
China can't handle free elections yet, the vast majority illiterate and manipulable.
But I fear China's "ethics" (13 year old Olympians and repression). Ends justify Means.
alex , new city, ny, u.s.a.
"Only Nixon can go to China." - An old American proverb.
Scott, phoenix, USA
TO Mr Richard, Sacramento, USA
Nevertheless, the one thing that this Olympics has reinforced to me is that I'm so thankful to live in a country where I can read this webpage!
You are very funny,I am from China and I'm so thankful to live in a country where I can read this webpage too.Haha.
YU HAN, Weihai, China
Check out the makeshift jails in Denver made by the our Socialist Democrats for their convention.
Don, green cove, U.S.A.
Joe in Scotland; when is Great Britain going to recognize that it needs to get out of Northern Ireland and that controlling it is "not very nice"?
Wally, Huntington, USA
It took Britain over 100 yrs from Quakers' initial opposition to the Slave Tract Act to abolish slavery. It took Britain 63 yrs from John Mills election to Parliament to the Representation of the People Act to give women the right to vote.
China will come through in the end. Just be patient.
Hilary, London,
Whine, whine.
The Americans pity the Chinese people, but will never understand the wonders of "different opinions". Another race? Religion? Country? Culture? Sorry but you're wrong. To the Americans, only viewpoints held by those who are "like them" are worth listening to. That is their downfall.
Howard, Manchester,
Like it or not, China is the emerging Superpower. They've come a long way and learned tough things about Imperialism from the Brits and Americans. But now they are poised to become a powerhouse and it's going to get ugly before it gets pretty.
For now enjoy the relative peace of the Olympics.
ARC, LA, USA
The fact is that very soon China will become the largest financial country in the World overtaking the USA. It is increasingly tolerant and open but it took the USA a very long time to recognize that hanging blacks was not very nice. Give China a chance to improve but do not expect elections soon.
joe, Edinburgh, Scotland
China is such a lowly place. I feel sorry for the people there. THe government and society are complete failures. 30 billion on the olympic games when half the population doesn't have drinking water? Seriously, who do they think they are trying to fool? No one in the West believes in China.
Luis, WAshington, DC, USA
China is still a Communist government. Communists like to control things...even things that make no sense. It's their way. Hopefully capitalism will push them towards more freedom for their people.
If Obama and Pelosi get their way....we will be Communist too. Because they want to control us.
rachel, Los Angeles, USA
Why on earth does anyone want to host the Olympics? Yet there's never a shortage of governments willing to spend a fortune on the dubious 'honour' of the event and its sham promises. Will China sue the IOC when they find it hasn't solved all their problems and actually made many worse?
Charles, Hackney, London, UK
There will always be extremists and the rest of any nation - 86% of Chinase were happy with their government, according to BBC Newsnight. survey
When you ask for impossible - you get nothing. I criticise Chinese government too but through a legal channel and I feel my voice is heard.
Hilary, London,
china is not perfect, but it is improving and doing better. at least they are not one country that goes around invading others, poking their nose in other people's affairs!
james, KL, Malaysia
Beijing Olympics might be splendid, but it certainly lacked soul! The Soul of Freedom and that will be held as the most lacking factor in this Olympics!
Vinod T G, New York, USA
Cue the clueless China bashers...
Philip Goh, Oxford, UK
It seems even with all the negative publicity the Chinese have received for the manner in which they have run the games, they are still not held to the standard we hold other nations. China is a oppressive government, and I do not believe a nation such as this deserves the Olympics. Venezuela next?
Tim, Indianapolis, US
There is nowhere like China anywhere else in the world. State control makes the country look ridiculous. But that is understandable considering their politics. Jumping directly from the dictatorship of the Emperor into the dictatorship of the CCP. Denied voting rights. Unable to elect own government
James, Beckton, East London
I'd like to think that the people of China will hold their government accountable for its actions someday, but somehow doubt that day will come.
Jonathan S, Yokohama, Japan
The 'footprint fireworks' shown on TV were computer graphics, but i had read that the firworks did actually occur on the ight.. just not filmable.
Tim, Seoul, Korea
China is what it is. And "IS" is the same thing it has been for over 60 years. A PARANOID, CONTROLLING government. God, I hope Russia never gets the games
Moses, Plymouth, USA
If I'm not mistaken, Zhang Yimou has had a run-in or two with the Chinese government, and his films don't exactly depict China as a paradise.
Nevertheless, the one thing that this Olympics has reinforced to me is that I'm so thankful to live in a country where I can read this webpage!
Richard, Sacramento, USA
"keep your friends close, and your enemies closer". So far, the U.K. has kept pushing both of them away.
Candy, Bedford, England
China lacks respect for it's own people, the Chinese suffer under communism and totalitarian policy. They have strategic minds and have taken total control of the US economy with the finanacing of US debt. They own the US.
Carl , San Jose, CA, USA
The Chinese are so trying to put a good face forward to the world. Am I the only one who has noticed how the Chinese women at the medal ceremonies are uniquely endowed? They are all C cups at least - quite unusual for Chinese woman.